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La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2925	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:01:59 - [1] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Hey Mike, since you're so fixated on "makes sense" in regards to CONCORD ignoring inter corporate violence. Tell me how it "makes sense" that if they can't be asked to show up in a mission pocket to shoot the NPC actual pirates, that they can just appear by magic if a player shoots at another player. Please tell me how that "makes sense" and isn't exactly the kind of arbitrary thing you're claiming to crusade against. If they won't show up to shoot the rats, I think they shouldn't show up at all. "Makes sense", right? Or we can admit to ourselves that absolutely nothing about the Infallible Magic Space Police makes sense, and just talk about game mechanics without hiding behind non logic false flags. Because if you want it to "make sense", they should not exist in the first place, let alone have unstoppable weapons. Concord has hired the Capsiuleer running the mission to handle the threat. They then allow him/her to succeed or fail on thier own merits. But they DO interfere with capsuleer/capsuleer violence unless the appropriate fees have been paid (wardec) makes sense to me m What about rats in belts that concord doesn't pay anyone to deal with? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2925	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:21:21 - [2] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. Dark souls the mmo. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:38:14 - [3] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:43:38 - [4] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: La Nariz wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes -walt witman personally I had issue when Concord popped me when I was running an incursion and ignored the Sansha. Yeah, It doesn't all make sense but that does not preclude me from liking it when it does. m The issue with concord is that it exists in the first place. I don't know about you but I think Goons have done a better job at removing pvp from the game than ccp or carebears have. Just look at Null. Translated for Goons: F1 :ccp: neglected it and we found the best ways to take advantage of mechanics. It took two parties to embrace the buttlord accord to so make sure you include pl/nc. In your terrible uninformed opinions. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:45:45 - [5] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: You actually think pvp should require nothing more than joining some daft fool's corp? I just want to make sure you actually believe what you're telling me here, because I can barely believe it myself. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: No, I can still get into the their corps. Being able to do anything in any way after that is what is proposed to be removed. So, to be clear, what you're saying is you think that getting into somebody's corp is all you should have to do to be able to pvp some dudes? Api exists and they could take 2 minutes to check to see if "ikillblues420" has killed corpmates instead of having :ccp: do it for them. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:48:27 - [6] - Quote Krusty the Klown wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little? By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:51:33 - [7] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Api exists and they could take 2 minutes to check to see if "ikillblues420" has killed corpmates instead of having :ccp: do it for them. So what you're saying is a new player with a blank history, like that of an alt, should be deemed an unacceptable risk to many hisec social groups? A new player wouldn't be able to fit anything to hurt you, zero risk. Their xenophobia is their own problem and yes it hurts newbies so maybe ccp aught to fix that instead of destroying potential for content. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2928	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:55:35 - [8] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Krusty the Klown wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am a solo player largely due to time constraints from my irl job. That's why this pisses me off so much, because as such a player, awoxing is the ONE way that I can inflict meaningful loss on people who would otherwise suffer exactly zero losses. Why should they get to be immune? Why is their sub worth more than mine? Why should their petty peace of mind merit the removal of my playstyle? I'm genuinely curious but how would someone inflict meaningful losses to you? If I understand correctly that should be able to happen to anyone and everyone. The problem is, that the people are well aware what an awoxer can do and might have even experienced one themselves but cannot understand any of the risks involved. An awoxer is just seen as a guy who joins a corp until everyone is off the guard and shoots anyone with a valuable ship. Usually this is even done with an alt so it can be seen as there is no risk involved. Maybe you could explain the process a little? By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. Remind me, what do you tell new bros about ratting with neuts in local, something about pve fits not doing doing something or other too well in pvp....? They are newbees not newbros, reddit scum, I tell them to fleet up. In case you still can't tell or don't understand, numbers matter. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2930	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:57:13 - [9] - Quote Krusty the Klown wrote: La Nariz wrote: By killing me while I am awoxing them, they aren't helpless and can fit guns to any ship with hard points. What if we assume you aren't completely incompetent and attack your target while he's in a mission ship / in the middle of mining where you are likely to have enough time to kill your target before reinforcements appear? If they are afk, oh well shouldn't have been afk. It's kill me, fleet up and kill me, re ship and kill me or some combination of that. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2951	Posted - 2014.10.31 13:57:04 - [10] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Sol Project wrote: How in hell is CODE pro-botting now?? See my above post. It basically boils down to their targets being non-botters and the guys they leave alone being botters. Try it. Fly a solo yield fit retriever like a noob in a system with plenty of CODE about, you'll get ganked. Fly 20 procurers fit for tank and don't respond to any form of input, you'll get left alone. Obviously they want to get rid of the competition that keeps botters ore sale prices down. This is highsec pubbie levels of tinfoil man what the hell have you been smoking? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2951	Posted - 2014.10.31 14:25:25 - [11] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Bob Bedala wrote: CODE kill botfleets too. Rarely if ever. La Nariz wrote: This is highsec pubbie levels of tinfoil man what the hell have you been smoking? How so? Because I don't lap up CODE propaganda when they say "we're anti-botter, honest!". Their actions speak for themselves. They attack players who clearly aren't botting, soaking up the tears, while they ignore botters leaving them to chomp on through all of the rocks. If you take a step back and really look at it, you'll see that the effect they have is the exact opposite of their claimed objective. Whether or not that is by design or through enormous oversight is up to you to decide. Because you're promoting an elaborate scheme to increase ore prices, comparing apples to oranges (a procurer is not a retriever) alleging a priority targeting for newbies and ignoring the parsimonious theory. They do it because it is the least effort for the most return, the same min/maxing idea everyone falls into. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2951	Posted - 2014.10.31 16:53:26 - [12] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: [quote=La Nariz]Because you're promoting an elaborate scheme to increase ore prices, comparing apples to oranges (a procurer is not a retriever) alleging a priority targeting for newbies and ignoring the parsimonious theory. They do it because it is the least effort for the most return, the same min/maxing idea everyone falls into. I'm not promoting anything. I'm stating that the end result of their efforts is that botters get richer while the average player mining gets poorer. That means their groups, whether they aim to or not, supports botters. And you say "most return", yet their claimed goal is to remove botlike behavior. For that, measuring their return would not be measuring tears or isk from ganking random solo players. Then why are you spewing dinsdale-esque crap? Their method did not do as they intended so it's a failed method that's all it means. It is the most return for the :effort: spent, how much more difficult is it to gank a retriever versus a procurer? So they are using an inefficiently optimized method to remove botters, what a surprise people have been using terribly optimized stuff forever, yet that does not mean they support something. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2951	Posted - 2014.10.31 16:56:08 - [13] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: I checked The Games Website and, oddly, I do not see them saying that Eve is a Purely PvP game. Now I will readily admit that it is a game with PvP in it if you will do the same in respect to PvE, because that is also part of the game. Missions, mining, exploration, are things you can do where you compete (maybe) but don't have to shoot some other player. So where do all the people whose main argument against this change find the ground to stand on . . . that by shifting a rule that made little sense (It is OK to go Postal if you are in a post office and work there) we are somehow moving away from what the game IS. It is like they are the apostles of a religion within the game but I cannot seem to find their holy book or church. So to some of the points 1) Yes, a well made and good practices corp could slow or catch most awoxers (though not all) and in that respect the game has been made (shudder) easier b) Yes, free for alls will be harder to run since shooting each other will bring the wrath of concord down on you (pity there is no part of space where this is not true. iii) I still haven't seen an argument that convinces me to go back to CCP and demand that they 'tear down this wall' Five) but I do appreciate the level of discourse, here, over some of the other threads I monitor m Now go tackle the topic of highsec reward being too high. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2954	Posted - 2014.10.31 17:30:14 - [14] - Quote Mag's wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: "This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core" [quote] If the other pilot had no right to attack you then CONCORD will track him down and punish him for his crimes, so long as the attack took place in high security space. from the line following so we are both right, eh? m Name 3 things, that are not PvP in Eve. Captains quarter and we all know how well that expansion went. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2960	Posted - 2014.10.31 18:14:42 - [15] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: La Nariz wrote: Then why are you spewing dinsdale-esque crap? Their method did not do as they intended so it's a failed method that's all it means. It is the most return for the :effort: spent, how much more difficult is it to gank a retriever versus a procurer? So they are using an inefficiently optimized method to remove botters, what a surprise people have been using terribly optimized stuff forever, yet that does not mean they support something. I'm not, I'm simply stating that their actions help support botters. Whether or not that's their goal behind the scenes is their business. As usual though a CODE player jumped in to scream about how I was misrepresenting them and how they are the saviors of highsec. What they post is propaganda regardless since it doesn't reflect what they are actually accomplishing. Lucas Kell wrote: It basically boils down to their targets being non-botters and the guys they leave alone being botters. Try it. Fly a solo yield fit retriever like a noob in a system with plenty of CODE about, you'll get ganked. Fly 20 procurers fit for tank and don't respond to any form of input, you'll get left alone. Obviously they want to get rid of the competition that keeps botters ore sale prices down. You are spewing dinsdale-esque crap. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 19:11:35 - [16] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: La Nariz wrote: You are spewing dinsdale-esque crap. Wrong. dinsdale-esque would be screaming "the cartels!" and claiming the devs were helping. That was just pointing out that if you aren't completely incompetent and somehow managing to do the complete opposite of your stated goals by accident, then the explanation can only be that you are purposely targeting non-botters. So which are you, pro-botters or completely incompetent? Conspiracies are his thing, parsimony is a thing and you still haven't stopped being wrong about anything I've already noted. Perhaps you should ask CODE. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 20:13:03 - [17] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: La Nariz wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: La Nariz wrote: You are spewing dinsdale-esque crap. Wrong. dinsdale-esque would be screaming "the cartels!" and claiming the devs were helping. That was just pointing out that if you aren't completely incompetent and somehow managing to do the complete opposite of your stated goals by accident, then the explanation can only be that you are purposely targeting non-botters. So which are you, pro-botters or completely incompetent? Conspiracies are his thing, parsimony is a thing and you still haven't stopped being wrong about anything I've already noted. Perhaps you should ask CODE. I've not seen you note me as being wrong about anything. And yes perhaps I should To be fair CODE members would just post up an entire wall of repetitive jargon explaining how great they are and such. Would hardly be an objective viewpoint. It's all content just make it a good thread. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 21:50:44 - [18] - Quote CSM dude when is highsec reward going to be nerfed? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:12:14 - [19] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: mike and/or any csm or dev monitoring this thread, given that we will now be able to cue people to kick, the longest period one would need to put up with a belligerent undesirable in corp is about 23ish hours (assuming there is a director/ceo online) is this necessary? you wouldn't have people wearing nubie corps as a fashionable hat for weeks on end anymore so why the extra step? ill further the question actually, will an individual still be allowed to financially gut a corp and run off into the sunset in say six months or is this strictly an aggression/crimewatch thing? Because it's not about the actual kill itself, it's about the behaviour the ability to aggress with no concord response supports. All the time corp aggression is possible, people that run half decent corps will more often than not put in minimum playtime/SP barriers to entry to stop throwaway awox alts. This also stop real new players engaging with other players in corps. I'd argue that this change in particular is more important than the cop kick queue, though honestly, not being able to kick a corp member because they happen to be in a timezone where they have the ability to log on right as downtime ends is pretty silly in itself. Solving a psychological issue via game mechanics. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:19:56 - [20] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: mike and/or any csm or dev monitoring this thread, given that we will now be able to cue people to kick, the longest period one would need to put up with a belligerent undesirable in corp is about 23ish hours (assuming there is a director/ceo online) is this necessary? you wouldn't have people wearing nubie corps as a fashionable hat for weeks on end anymore so why the extra step? ill further the question actually, will an individual still be allowed to financially gut a corp and run off into the sunset in say six months or is this strictly an aggression/crimewatch thing? Because it's not about the actual kill itself, it's about the behaviour the ability to aggress with no concord response supports. All the time corp aggression is possible, people that run half decent corps will more often than not put in minimum playtime/SP barriers to entry to stop throwaway awox alts. This also stop real new players engaging with other players in corps. I'd argue that this change in particular is more important than the cop kick queue, though honestly, not being able to kick a corp member because they happen to be in a timezone where they have the ability to log on right as downtime ends is pretty silly in itself. Solving a psychological issue via game mechanics. And why not? If it helps new players find a home in eve, I don't see a problem. Because its a symptomatic treatment instead of treating the cause of the problem. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:30:37 - [21] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: In the real world symptomatic treatment saves lives. A patient with an excessively high temperature is placed into an ice bath to prevent permanent brain damage and death. A patient suffering from severe dissentry or ebola is treated with large volumes of fluids and electrolytes to prevent death by dehydration. Treating the symptoms is often no less necessary than treating the underlying cause. The same is true here. Apples to oranges, is EVE the real world? No it isn't treating this symptom with a hamfisted attempt is only going to make the overall cause and problem worse. Not only that it's a waste of resources when they could be working on the cause instead of trying random crap. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:33:23 - [22] - Quote La Rynx wrote: "psychological issues" To keep people interested it is important to minimize unnecessary frustrating moments and give the impression of fairness. I have problems how this awoxing will teach something to new players. Moreso when the older player sits there and plays with the gamemechnics NewBros don't know. Content vs Player rention value, i would think one could let go of awoxing and not miss much. I start to think that some cerrtain group starts to realize that their end might be on the horizon. You are opening a can of worms if you want to talk fairness. Highsec has been made progressively safer yet there has not been a reward nerf to it. Players remain for the content so every time you take content away you decrease player retention. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2961	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:35:40 - [23] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: And those players that don't exclusively target ignorant new player corps in hisec can move on to awoxing low sec corps, awoxing npc 0.0 corps, awoxing sov corps, and awoxing wormhole corps. If they target anyone that will recruit them, then they have a cluster's worth of awoxing opportunity ahead of them. It was never about preying on new players like every pro-highsec person wants to assert. It was about preying on people with more isk than brains. Lowsec corporations were not targets as much because they were more aware of the potential for violence than the deliberately ignorant highsec corporations. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:37:15 - [24] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: La Nariz wrote: CSM dude when is highsec reward going to be nerfed? It isn't, too many players in other parts of the game partially finance themselves with said income. If you gutted that the ripples would go much further than you might expect. To the other person who asked about corp robbery? No I do not see that being on the chopping bl;ock in the (what was the time frame?) next six months. m Don't fix it because to fix it we'd have to fix the game. What the christ. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:40:33 - [25] - Quote La Rynx wrote: La Nariz wrote: You are opening a can of worms if you want to talk fairness. Highsec ... Sorry that was unclear. I talk about meta. i am talking about the felt "fairness" when doing something, like playing a game for example. A good game will be challenging but avoid to get to frustrating. Felt Effort wants to be rewarded. IMO this is still doable without "destroying EvE" or "create a theme park". I agree with you but, there are better ways than this change. Like for example changing PVE from horrible grindy mess to engaging and fun. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:42:03 - [26] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: It was never about preying on new players like every pro-highsec person wants to assert. It was about preying on people with more isk than brains. Lowsec corporations were not targets as much because they were more aware of the potential for violence than the deliberately ignorant highsec corporations. You are ignorant of history. Awoxing began in nullsec. Nullsec and lowsec corporations were the first and primary targets of awoxing. Awoxing began in nullsec. It is fitting that it returns to a primarily nullsec/lowsec role. I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:48:28 - [27] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: No, he is saying that all the null people keep asserting that hi-sec makes way more than them and they have data that shows something different. And yes, this change is specifically being looked at because of the ones who specifically target new players. YOu could read that in the minutes but I know that isn't going to happen or be accepted. "It isn't, too many players in other parts of the game partially finance themselves with said income. If you gutted that the ripples would go much further than you might expect." Hmm oh look at that could that mean that players outside of highsec have to use highsec as an income source. Imagine that npc alt. CCP you forgot to remove npc corps posting abilities with the new forums. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:49:20 - [28] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec. No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread. Yes we are, does CONCORD respond in null/low/wh? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2963	Posted - 2014.10.31 22:55:22 - [29] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there... Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2965	Posted - 2014.10.31 23:01:13 - [30] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Amyclas Amatin wrote: I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there... Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over. Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ... There's already a thread I made about this in the past and provided data for that shows why you are full of swap.avi on this point. -see post history. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2972	Posted - 2014.11.01 01:19:44 - [31] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: I'll read your post, but I'm not wading through 20+ pages of post history, given that most of the first 5-10 pages of your post history link back to this thread. Use the search function it does not take much effort to find the thread use "highsec reward" as your term. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2974	Posted - 2014.11.01 02:02:06 - [32] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: It occured to me, reading Marsha's post above. Is being active in the forums a form of PvP? Especially if you are making that activity an effort to END another persons playstyle or shame them into stopping what they are doing through mockery or namecalling? m Yes hence why npc alts should not be allowed to post. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2981	Posted - 2014.11.01 13:36:50 - [33] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I'll read your post, but I'm not wading through 20+ pages of post history, given that most of the first 5-10 pages of your post history link back to this thread. Use the search function it does not take much effort to find the thread use "highsec reward" as your term. Searching "highsec reward" and posts from La Nariz brings up the following threads: Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3? (68 pages) High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality (62 pages) Tackling the problem of null-sec ratting bots. (23 pages) What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec? (147 pages) Specific Examples of Where Risk Should Be Inserted Successfully Into High-sec (35 pages) Yeah, I'm not sifting through all that. If you'd like to respond to my earlier post: PotatoOverdose wrote: La Nariz wrote: Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over. Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ... Without referencing some obscure post in a long forgotten thread, be my guest. Until then, I'll assume your full of it when you say your regions aren't worth the :effort: of defending. I've explained all of the stuff you are whining about to you before and pretty much refuted it all before too so I'm not going to spend the :effort: on some whiny constipated babby. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2981	Posted - 2014.11.01 19:49:16 - [34] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Still reading, still collecting but not a lot of new in the past few pages. Marsha, I liked the story but aside from the original free for all most of that could be done without awox possible. Only the original shooting which was a mistake remains. I have agreed that the loss of intracorp free for alls is something that needs addressing and hope we can in the near future aside from that? Nope, still think the removal of awox or the arrival of concord or however you want to frame it, is a good thing. m Or we could come up with an idea that doesn't remove content but does help new players like enhancing NPE, adding flags, and using existent features like kill rights to solve the problem. Disguising everything anti-PPP as beneficial to new players is disingenuous. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2985	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:09:11 - [35] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: So why not remove War Dec's then? I am sure War Dec's cause a lot more people to stay in NPC Corps and lose more new players then axowing does. I have never heard of a Corp to fold because of an axower where as according to many people War dec's have and continue to do so. You can not claim that removing the ability to shoot corp mates without concord intervention will help retain newer players and encourage more people to leave the safety of NPC Corps without admitting that removing war decs would have a much great impact on these two things. Actually, I claim exactly that. Wardecs are NOT on the same slope as corp awox. One you get warning, announcements and a ramp up time. I am in favour of keeping wardecs and removing awox and I do not see any contradictions with that stand. I am NOT trying to make hisec 'safe'. I AM in favour of removing a stupid non-intuitive mechanic. m Yet your justification is "it makes sense" instead of anything well reasoned. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2986	Posted - 2014.11.01 22:16:44 - [36] - Quote "It makes sense" that highsec reward would be lower than areas with less safety but I don't see you championing that mike. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2990	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:21:23 - [37] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: La Nariz wrote: "It makes sense" that highsec reward would be lower than areas with less safety but I don't see you championing that mike. Possibly because it actually already is, and you (And I do mean you personally here) are just trying to drive it so far down that the residents of high sec will be desperate for any scraps you give them. You just use bad statistics from biased experiments to try and claim otherwise. RvB can still brawl, it will just actually be Red vs Blue now in highsec. Want a free for all brawl, take it to low or null. Corp brawls, go to low sec. Or null sec. Plenty of low sec pockets where you only ever see 2 or 3 people and they aren't going to warp into a ball of a dozen. Webbing freighters. Duel mechanic exists. Hey look, opportunity for betrayal & ransoms if you put a little effort into getting them to trust you to web them. So awoxing is still possible in high without needing to be able to automatically shoot your corp mates. It does make sense to remove an exception from the rules of highsec that dates to pre crimewatch 2.0 and is no longer required. And it breaks nothing of significance. And gets some of those things into low sec as well. It isn't and you're late to the party mike already admitted it isn't and that they are not considering fixing it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

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